When: 2012-04-23
Where: IRC, Freenode, channel friendica
Time: 22:30 GMT+1
Urls: chat.freenode.net
Topic: Second IRC meeting 2012 - review action items from last time, agenda
HaakonME Good evening from Norway! :) HaakonME The log of the first GNU Telephony meeting of 2012 can be found at http://www.gnutelephony.org/index.php/GNU_Telephony_Meeting_2012-03-26 HaakonME The log from the second meeting will be at http://www.gnutelephony.org/index.php/GNU_Telephony_Meeting_2012-04-23 HaakonME Some updates since last time HaakonME GNU Telephony has set up a new Mantis installation at bugs.gnutelephony.org. thomas____ hey... i didn't joined last time...just saaw the reminder i my stream and want to have a look around HaakonME We've tried to have our blog included into planet.debian.org, but for the time being we are not considered Debian developers. HaakonME Hi, Thomas - welcome! :) thomas____ hey :-) thomas____ so simonlou is missing? HaakonME So far. :) thomas____ and dyfet .-) HaakonME Yep. thomas____ i just have a small lok to protokol from last time HaakonME In the screenshot / video tutorial department, I've managed to add three small articles: http://www.gnutelephony.org/index.php/CSipSimple_for_Android http://www.gnutelephony.org/index.php/Linphone_through_GNU_SIP_Witch_on_Debian and http://www.gnutelephony.org/index.php/GNU_SIP_Freely HaakonME Great, Thomas! HaakonME Squeeze didn't like it, but I've added all 2012 months and week numbers under the Activity plan. He argues there is no point in having a lot of empty weeks, and I agree. I just don't like to look up calender items many times, and now everyone can add things with little effort. :) HaakonME The GNU Free Call roadmap with milestones and activity plan is at http://www.gnutelephony.org/index.php/GNU_Free_Call_Roadmap simonlnu here HaakonME Hello, Simon! :) simonlnu hi thomas____ nice :-) HaakonME I've just added some info items. :) simonlnu ok HaakonME And Thomas has joined us! :D simonlnu i'm logging now HaakonME Great! I have logging too, in case we need a backup. HaakonME To recap, I've just said we now have a new bug tracker at bugs.gnutelephony.org , three small screenshot articles are in the wiki, and the activity plan awaits our activity. :) simonlnu ah nice HaakonME Are there any upcoming conferences we should attend that didn't get metioned last time? I've heard video will soon be available from LibrePlanet2012. HaakonME While you think about that, I will say something about donations. simonlnu not that i know of, but i don't keep track either ;) HaakonME Okay, perhaps we can say something about this in the next meeting. HaakonME David suggests May 21 for the third meeting simonlnu good for me HaakonME Good for me too. :) HaakonME The FSF's Working Together for Free Software Fund is a way to give donations to the FSF and direct the donation to your favourite project. HaakonME So far GNU Octave has done really well, and we haven't. I took a look at their web site, and they have a nice donation form and a screenshot on the front page. simonlnu would be simple to hook that in i imagine HaakonME Their donation form has $50 as the default, and we have $25 on "our" page at the FSF. HaakonME Well, Mediawiki requires a form extension. HaakonME Anyway, I've reorganized the the front page at www.gnutelephony.org. There is now a very visible orange donation box in the top right corner, a CSipSimple screenshot just below. HaakonME It's a start. :) simonlnu cool *checks it out* simonlnu very obvious ;) HaakonME Directed donations work this way: a project signs a contract with the FSF. The money does not go to the project, but to the FSF, which is a legitimate foundation. HaakonME :) simonlnu and then they redirect that project-specific donation to the project? (restating to be clear) HaakonME No, not as such. By supplying receits and other needed documentation for our expenses, we can ask the FSF to support us. HaakonME If a project stops, then the FSF must use the donated amounts to further Free Software. HaakonME This is different from say, Kickstarter. HaakonME Hello, David! :) dyfet Hi! HaakonME We are just about to start talking about promoting donations and discuss thinks like Kickstarter. dyfet cool simonlnu ah ok HaakonME How can we promote our new, shiny orange donation box - any suggestions? :) simonlnu donation links to the page, maybe make a specific page to handle it HaakonME I didn't understand that simonlnu make a Donations page, and have info there (link to it on the main page), and then c&p the link to the Donations page here and there simonlnu (oh, and you can get rid of that /index.php/ stuff easily ;) simonlnu hey dyfet dyfet Hmm...you mean on the wiki site? simonlnu yes dyfet Well, at the time they did not have rewrite rules on ibliblio... dyfet And I think we have external links anchored to them now... simonlnu nm then. dyfet So I am not sure it is easy...well...at least the rewrite rules issue remains... HaakonME If we add form capability to Mediawiki, then we can have a nice form like GNU Octave - it worked for them. :) dyfet Well, if there is an extension for it, it should be easy to add dyfet That much we can do :) HaakonME http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Forms and some other pages discuss this. simonlnu side issue anyway (i tend to do that, sorry). why i was suggesting a separate page is because the front page looks really busy, and it would be nice to have the info clear and not distracted by other things. simonlnu ah cool dyfet Just need the link to download the extension... dyfet simonlnu: true...maybe this is a good time to discuss reorg of the wiki site in general too HaakonME +1 Noted for next time simonlnu http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms_Inputs dyfet +1 agreed HaakonME Great, Simon! :) simonlnu http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CustomUserCreateForm HaakonME Okay, this will make it easier to donate. How to promote? dyfet simonlnu: I think we have to upgrade our mediawiki for it I think also....okay, it will be a little bit longer :) simonlnu stick the link in your sig on various sites, e.g.. in READMEs, HaakonME +1 HaakonME Github simonlnu and other files where relevant. dyfet simonlnu: CustomUserCreateForm is compatible... HaakonME Welcome, Squeeze! :) simonlnu hi [squeeze] [squeeze] we hi @all got confused with the timezones finally [squeeze] well* [squeeze] i'm sorry that i missed it HaakonME We have talked some about why the FSF's Working Together for Free Software fits well with us. Another thing is that people who donate to the FSF get tax benefit in the USA, and other paper work. :) simonlnu that's important for certain types of donators dyfet We do have this problem with timezones ;) simonlnu timezones suck :p HaakonME The big donation question was if we should look into Kickstarter or similar. Personally, I fear we raise expectations about quick results if/when we reach the stated target amount. If we don't deliver, then people might grumble about what happened to their money, which is transferred once the target goal is reached. dyfet HaakonME: Well...I can only think about dispora when you say that... simonlnu yeh really HaakonME There was a heated article and discussion last week on /. dyfet Well, we do not want to do what they did...I think that is clear simonlnu agreed dyfet So I understand Haakon's caution simonlnu flattr? HaakonME What's that? [squeeze] +1 [squeeze] flattr.com simonlnu (i have no experience witt flattr, so if i'm full of it, please say so) simonlnu with* simonlnu an alternate to paypal, AIUI dyfet I had not heard of it before either simonlnu also handles donations and similar HaakonME Okay, we can check it out. Noted. simonlnu then we can avoid the "target goal" stuff and not put expectations into people dyfet agreed HaakonME As David knows, I've tried to get government and others interested, and have had some initial success - they have discussed us - but so far unsuccessfully. simonlnu and, if wanted, we can do the fsf thing too, as an alternate (for people/orgs that require a receipt) HaakonME +1 dyfet And my second nsf grant submission also died.... simonlnu ah damn HaakonME Too bad simonlnu always next time ;) dyfet appearently the govt is more interested in projects that promote security through spying rather than grants that promote security from it.... simonlnu hmm. kinda figures. simonlnu brb, making coffee simonlnu aren't they supposed to be impartial? ;) HaakonME Okay, let's first push the FSF fund, and see what we find out about other channels next time. We have a request from RMS. simonlnu sweet. can't get cooler than that dyfet +1 agreed fsf fund effort simonlnu affirmative here too HaakonME His e-mail signature says no to Skype, then links to a page about in the FSF Software directory. This does not make sense, and he wants a better page. HaakonME I've started this - http://www.gnutelephony.org/index.php/GNU_SIP_Freely dyfet Hmm...I like this simonlnu can easily make a page in the wiki to handle stuff like that.. like you did :) dyfet And I always did like your "GNU SIP Freely" as a slogan HaakonME He wants a page that describes alternatives to Skype and other proprietary telephony software. HaakonME Thanks, David! I think we came up with that one together. :) simonlnu ah yes, that would a perfect page for the project :) simonlnu where better? ;) dyfet Just needs a donate link? ;) HaakonME ;-) simonlnu ;) HaakonME Okay, I've linked the CSipSimple, Linphone and GNU SIP Witch articles into it, but if some of you can do screenshots of the other apps, that would be great. simonlnu i have jitsi installed and working, so i can do that HaakonME +1 HaakonME I will try to do Sipdroid with video, but I haven't tried it yet. dyfet I can do twinkle and sflphone HaakonME +2 HaakonME Okay, I think we have this covered. Let's move on to gnunet. HaakonME David, you suggested using gnunet for peer-to-peer dns. HaakonME Can you say something about this? dyfet This I only head about recently. They have implimented peer to peer dns. I believe you create and exchange .xxx.gnunet addresses dyfet Since we do use dns for resolving sip uri's, this means we can do something like sip:someone@something.somewhere.gnunet and maybe not have too much work :) simonlnu omg simonlnu :D HaakonME +1 dyfet I am not sure how they do the interchange, I have to set it up and try it out :) HaakonME Okay, let us know next time if time allows. :) simonlnu http://simon.kisikew.org/src/img/jitsi_screenshot.jpg dyfet Okay...and of course, if it is pure dns, we can do things with it with friendica too :) simonlnu yep HaakonME Nice! :) HaakonME Next item, packaging sflphone for debian, jitsi tutorial simonlnu "i highlighted the sip contact ;)" [squeeze] sflphone is packaged for debian dyfet Is it?? Last I checked I did not find it... [squeeze] http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/sflphone-gnome simonlnu "yup. dunno if it's in squeeze or not (not you [squeeze] you know what i mean ;)" [squeeze] :D simonlnu oh ok HaakonME It is. :) dyfet Ah, they are behind 1.0 release though...but still, cool! Maybe we will have a later package in our archive :) and if needed a backport to squeeze... HaakonME "Simon, can you do a Jitsi tutorial in relation to Sipwitch?" simonlnu "i suppose. there isn't much to it, it's dead easy." [squeeze] "1.0.1 is in testing already, 102 in sid" HaakonME + HaakonME +1 dyfet they have 1.01 in wheezy...0.9.8 in squeeze... simonlnu "for things like this, it's best to have the latest stuff. having a backport in b.d.o would be good" dyfet I dont know why I didnt see it before... dyfet I think 1.0.2 has latest zrtp code, though. So yes, for that reason...we can do it off the sid package...." [squeeze] :) simonlnu "maybe you filed it in your ""too old"" category :P" HaakonME "Okay, guys, I've got to go, but remaining items are friends.gnutelephony.org public portal, chat room, hosting with hipatia. Good night, everyone! :)" simonlnu g'night HaakonME [squeeze] good night [squeeze] :) simonlnu friends. was going to be a friendica instance, right? [squeeze] yes dyfet Yes dyfet It made sense :) simonlnu a chat room can be easily set up with a jabber install dyfet I was hoping we might have Charles here.... simonlnu "hook it up with BOSH in jappixmini, and ding, we have a chat, *and* friendica" dyfet simonlnu: we actually have a jabber.gnutelephony.org... [squeeze] nice simonlnu "perfect. i should hook up with that then, from here ;)" simonlnu hosting with hipatia... so how is that set up? dyfet I was concerned on using the hipatia hosting when they were...down for so long... simonlnu ah yeh dyfet I had a hipatia experience like that several years ago with my journal wiki :) dyfet I think that was the last thing Haakon had on the list for today... simonlnu ok dyfet do we have any other items? dyfet I think squeeze had proposed #gnutelephony on freenode simonlnu "checking.. ah yes, that would be a good idea" [squeeze] well that would be nice dyfet Agreed...who wants to register it? :) [squeeze] the admin? [squeeze] you? [squeeze] :-) dyfet I can :) dyfet Doing the form now :) simonlnu "oh, there was some talk of setting up a forum. personally, i'd be more in favour of having the friendica instance, as it suits the project better. maybe later we can set one up, if anyone asks." [squeeze] +1 dyfet "Yes, friends.gnutelephony.org sounds so very right too :)" simonlnu it does [squeeze] maybe with a nice introduction page (if thats possible) simonlnu "friendica supports having an home.html page, we can easily do that" [squeeze] really? simonlnu just save it in the top-most fd dir [squeeze] "nice, thanks for the hint :-)" simonlnu it's shown on login and some other top-most pages simonlnu "ack-grep -a 'home.html' ;)" dyfet sent in request for #gnutelephony channel :) simonlnu yay dyfet Next meeting 5/21 in #gnutelephony? :) simonlnu sound good to me [squeeze] perfect dyfet any other things or are we done for today? [squeeze] too bad i missed it [squeeze] that's it i guess dyfet I have come to appreciate we cannot have these later for its late for Haakon... simonlnu i think that's it dyfet Maybe we will have adhoc mini meetings too....:) that may cover time better simonlnu *nods* [squeeze] well see you all at #gnutelephony simonlnu woot dyfet already there :)